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| wnalyd | The issues with the Packers model | 7 | Mar 12 2009, 7:59 PM EDT by Anonymous | ||
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Thread started: Mar 2 2009, 1:31 PM EST
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Let me say upfront: I am not against the Packers model. I'd probably be more inclined for this to be more of a co-op than something like the Packers, but in itself the idea has serious merit.
But let me play devil's advocate (as usual): 1. A newspaper is not a sports team. Sports in this country elicit a much deeper level of passion than journalism. Can you translate the Cheesehead mania of Wisconsin into Globe-Mania here? 2. You still run into the substitution problem -- the Times offers the same content for free. Dropping the model as-is on the P-I would be a disaster. New wine into old wineskins. You have to make the new P-I distinctive, cover new niches, and be worth the cost. 3. $99 is a lot to drop as a lump sum. If it were me, I might offer the Packer-Intelligencer at a monthly fee. I think people might be willing to pay $10/month IF they really were getting a lot more than they would from the Times or local bloggers. 4. Ultimately, though, there's one big problem with this model -- people who buy shares will get nothing in return but a nice certificate and some good feelings. In the case of the Packers, it connects right to that passion -- Granddaddy saved the team in 1950. I just don't see people feeling the same way here. You would need to offer more than just the certificate and good feelings (e.g. FREE P-I FOR A YEAR! FOUNDER'S DISCOUNT ON SUBSCRIPTIONS FOR LIFE! NEVER SEE AN AD ON THE SITE EVER! FREE ADMISSION TO P-I SPONSORED EVENTS LIKE LECTURES! INCREDIBLE DISCOUNT CARD OFFERS! THIS LOVELY TOTEBAG!) Again, not against this idea. I do wonder, though, if the Packers model is a "one time" scheme to gather the capital needed to get going, and if it is, you need to think about how you're going to get money AFTER the initial seed money runs out. |
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| Anonymous | rates per thousand | 1 | Apr 14 2009, 1:43 PM EDT by Anonymous | ||
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Thread started: Mar 17 2009, 8:21 AM EDT
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The Pew report just released stated that online ad rates are right now averaging 26 CENTS per thousand. That's not going to support very much...and there is nothing driving that rate UP...If anything the glut of "inventory" on the web will drive it DOWN.
Weigh that against the fact that the barrier to entry for publishing is the cost of a computer and an internet connection and you have an army of ever shifting bloggers willing to devote their lives for little return and it amounts to a Jihad against traditional journalism. |
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| ThinkerFeeler | Partisanship and funding | 1 | Apr 14 2009, 1:40 PM EDT by Anonymous | ||
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Thread started: Mar 10 2009, 1:26 AM EDT
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Some people want a left-leaning news source. Others want a right-leaning news source. And peoples' preferences may determine whether they're willing to donate to (pay for) your news.
Do you plan to be non-partisan? |
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| Anonymous | More issues with the Packers model | 3 | Mar 5 2009, 12:20 PM EST by wnalyd | ||
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Thread started: Mar 3 2009, 10:03 PM EST
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Let me say first thing that Mike Lewis is reason alone to support this plan. I have enjoyed his writing for years, and would hate to see such a talented writer go without a venue. I hope he gets hired by the Seattle Times. The packer model would be compelling if seattle was a small town or city that didn't have a lot of other choices for news. Seattle has two newspapers. If the PI closes and goes to a web format, seattle will have one and a half newspapers. You can find local news in the stranger and the weekly, and seattle's two city magazines seem to be doing okay. The city has four or five television stations that provide local news, two public radio station that provide local news and several commercial stations that provide local news. There seem to be many neighborhood websites you link to that provide news about neighborhoods, but i they seem to suck. And that is the reason why i am having a hard time understanding why people would pay for MORE local news when there is already a ton out there.
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